O Reader, perhaps it will please you to animadvert upon this rather interesting Dialog?
Mettius INTERLOCUTOR;
C. Claudius VANDERMEER.
Interlocutor: Hi!
Vandermeer: Howdydo.
Interlocutor: Good, how are you?
Vandermeer: Irritated with the lame efforts of people on my side of the culture wars to defend their interests--look at this.
Foolishment. Mr. Scruton, we get it. These points have been made. Your aesthetic philosophy is from the 19th century and you, personally, are losing the culture war for me. (Not to mention he gives a false definition for
religio...)
Interlocutor: Let me take a look.
Vandermeer: Listen to him. "Vision of beauty," "attitude of contemplation," "portent of original sanctity," gag, gag, gag. WEAK.
Interlocutor: Oh, I heard about that awful production of Seraglio. But I see what you mean--he misses the idea that beauty itself is just an idea that people can disagree on.
Vandermeer: No! Also weak! Ugh. Obviously only I, single-handedly, can save Western culture.
Interlocutor: Obvs.
Vandermeer: "Your heart fills with joy, and your selfish thoughts are scattered." Oh, gag me with a spoon. I should stop reading this and quit complaining.
Interlocutor: Well, the duty of the artist is to express himself. If that expression is unpleasant or unconventional, oh well. Art that does not find an audience will die out. Everything else becomes part of tradition, no matter how shocking or ugly it seems at first. Like, ahem, Wagner's crazy chromatic assaults on the ear which many opera-goers of his time HATED--and called profane and un-musical.
Vandermeer: Yes, so too with Rite of Spring. Sure, these are stock examples. But I would say it’s just neutral. These new artists were doing something intelligent and structural; it was shocking because people didn't yet know how to "read" it, the way they couldn't yet read modernism and often still can’t.
Interlocutor: But something instinctive and chaotic has no less claim on truth & beauty.
Vandermeer: No--structure, the creation of coherence, is so important. I wouldn't say "express himself," I would say "produce deep realization to ideas"--and by deep I mean that which rewards repeated analysis from different angles and is coherent, rather than working like a sort of intellectual game.
Interlocutor: Yes, I would agree with that, the deep realization of ideas.
Vandermeer: I find that things that are "instinctive and chaotic" and also beautiful are structured on a fundamental level. Pollock, for instance--whom I hate--still, his works have a definite and structuralistic aesthetic. Self-expression in itself is nothing. Most people--probably all people--have very little of interest to say about
themselves.
Interlocutor: But you trip yourself up, because an intellectual game can also be coherent. Besides, great art does not have to be coherent; in fact its very power comes from a lack of coherence that allows different interpretations.
Vandermeer: No, what I mean is an "intellectual game" in the sense that you don't have to SEE the art object to get to the point. Koonz' stainless steel balloon animals, for instance. You don't have to see one to do the thinking. A huge portion of our contemporary art is like that.
Interlocutor: Yes, pure concept, no soul.
Vandermeer: Ack, "soul."
Interlocutor: You know what I mean.
Vandermeer: No, I don't--I mean really, do you even? "Soul," what on earth is "soul" in art? I certainly don't have a soul, so I wonder how an art object can? If what you mean is "sophistication of thought," that's one thing, or "nuance of expression" another. Or the combination of the two?
Interlocutor: I certainly don't mean sophistication of thought. Any art that can be adequately explained is no art at all--I mean the passions and internal conflicts that make us individual, and which drive people to make art in the first place.
Vandermeer: I think passions are the last things that make us individual. Even beef has passions. It's our thoughts you’re talking about.
Interlocutor: It does not.
Beef has drives.
Vandermeer: A passion is a drive after a hundred years of romanticism.
Interlocutor: A passion is a drive given the introspection of sentience.
Vandermeer: --Fodder, fornication and self-pity decked out in a laurel wreath. Look, what you're talking about is the rationalization of a passion.
Interlocutor: No, it isn't
Vandermeer: Yes it is--the important part--the thoughts by which we unite mind to meat. Or reconcile them, really. Everyone falls in love, everyone is sorry for himself. It's how we turn the hormones into a useable reality that makes us unique, to such an extent as we're unique.
Interlocutor: Yes.
Vandermeer: So it's the thought. The ideal, not hormonal, component.
Interlocutor: The tension between the ideal and the hormonal is what I'm talking about as “passion.”
Vandermeer: But you see that the tension is wholly intellectual. Without the intellectual component all you have is reaction.
Interlocutor: Not really--
Vandermeer: Without intellect we simply follow our drive. There's no tension. Zero. Like animals.
Interlocutor: The tensions themselves can be completely emotional.
Vandermeer: But pure emotion simply makes its way, like water seeking a declivity. It's out of our control until hammered with thought, no matter how broken the thoughts are.
Interlocutor: Right--so?
Vandermeer: So, only after the imposition of thought--which reacts to the drive--do we get what you call a passion. Your passion is a reaction to pre-human circumstances, not a fusion, and should rightly be called a rationalization or ideation. Of the meat.
Interlocutor: Who says it can't be a fusion? isn't a fusion itself a reaction?
Vandermeer: In the sense that the two components feed on each other? Hm. Eliot's idea that emotion can and should proceed from thought comes to mind--So I can see it as a sort of cycle in which the original meat material turns into a fused cycle. Maybe. Drive > reaction to drive > idea > reaction to idea > emotion=drive > reaction, &c.
Interlocutor: Yes, a feedback loop
Vandermeer: Right. Maybe. OK; I'm tentatively sold.
Vandermeer: But to return to the article, I wonder if “In the presence of sacred things, our lives are judged, and to escape that judgment, we destroy the thing that seems to accuse us" is a functional analysis, or just moral self-congratulation. It sounds compelling, but I wonder if it has any relationship to reality.
Interlocutor: I’m certainly rolling my eyes.
Vandermeer: You don't think so? I kind of like it. I'm not sure if I'd put my faith in it though.
Interlocutor: It’s the assumption that art Scruton doesn't like is made only because the lowlife "artists" can't stand the
j'accuse of great art.
Vandermeer: Well, It matches my experience of a whole swath of people. Whether true or not, it's an idea in great currency--I've seen Dalrymple use it a few times.
Interlocutor: What is more likely is that artists need to feel liberated to create freely, and not feel like everything has to stand up to the Mona Lisa to be accepted. There is a tyranny of canon that must be constantly challenged if art is to remain fresh & vital & alive.
Vandermeer: I don’t agree--but unfortunately the whole pattern of these
City/
New Criterion defenses-of-art is so romantic and so polemical and so emphatically neither analytical nor intellectualizing that it immediately brings to mind the
Entartete Kunst exhibit--which is exactly what the enemy will respond with.
Interlocutor: Unfortunately, this is something written by a critic whose only impulse is to have his opinion taken seriously. He is not trying to make anything new, only defend the status quo. Conservatism of the bad kind.
Vandermeer: No such thing. Problematically, it's not the status quo he’s after; he doesn't realize he's fighting for a neo-movement. Conservatives have got to start thinking of themselves as revolutionaries.
Interlocutor: “What do we want? The way things used to be! When do we want it? Since always!”
Vandermeer: Yeah, yeah. But the kind of bibble Scruton is retooling didn't work in the first place--it was weak at the turn of the century and it’s exponentially weaker now--so if we don't want to lose this fight permanently we have to stop strutting around with this
laesa majestas attitude and start facing the fact that we
lost and have to fix the mistakes of our spineless ancestors-once-removed.
Interlocutor: Conservatism lost because it forgot what conservatism is supposed to be about.
Vandermeer: I'm speaking culturally here. Your political arena is a whole different bowl of kraut.
Interlocutor: Still, "reactionary" is not a synonym for "conservative."
Vandermeer: Sure.
Interlocutor: But that's what it's become, culturally as seen here in Scruton’s piece (that’s what you propose, too, you know)--as well as politically. Instead of making the case for positive virtues which should be retained / cherished, it's all about "do-not-want." Defending "our" culture from "them"--again, something you do unthinkingly and all too often.
Vandermeer: People with conservative cultural aims--in the sense of preserving western culture from what has become a metastasized onslaught of, well, nihilistic evilmindedness--have got to be reactionary, though. The enemy is now the establishment. People like myself are in the truly bizarre position of saying "to hell with the establishment," as unwillingly as Cromwell but not as mighty or as good. Who would have imagined? But “conserve” in the sense of architectural conservation, not Blimp toryism. To sustain something endangered, not to set up the status quo as a value in itself--though at this point it's honestly more like creative anachronism than conservation.
Interlocutor: That's fine, but some things are endangered because they have outlived their usefulness.
Vandermeer: Certainly. I'm all about out-with-the-chaff. How many times a day do I use the term '19th century" or "romantic" pejoratively?
Interlocutor: --Too often.
Vandermeer: Hush, you.
Interlocutor: You asked...
Vandermeer: Come on. Even people who would agree, once you’ve explained it, don't seem to realize how rotten both of those influences are in neo-modern thought.
Interlocutor: I concede that it's time the pendulum swung back a bit to the 18th century, in some ways.
Vandermeer: In some.
Interlocutor: Not the chopping-people's-heads-off way.
Vandermeer: Except for James. Long live the republic! But seriously, it's time to look back at the first half of this century. Comb out the bad ideas, take the good ones.
Interlocutor: The thing is bad ideas can't be combed out, they can only be out-competed by good ones.
Vandermeer: Right, of course--which is why dribblers like this person are doing no good at all. I still read these magazines, though, for the snippets of good rhetoric they sometimes produce. "The human body as a mere object among objects, the human spirit as eclipsed and ineffectual," Mm. Good rhetoric. Not inaccurate either. But then he switches right back to stuff that sounds dangerously like fascism--that with pornographic and violent art "we must sully the experiences--such as death and sex—that otherwise call us away from temptations, toward the higher life of sacrifice."
Wenn ich "Selbstaufopfergang" höre, entsichere ich meinen Browning.Interlocutor: Oh, he is saying that moderns feel like we must sully sex & death with prurience? I didn’t understand at first.
Vandermeer: Yes, something unfocused like that.
Interlocutor: He's not as good as Dalrymple.
Vandermeer: Few people are. The man is a sage. He's getting repetitive in his dotage but he's still a sage. Heh. It just keeps going--"the modern stage director who ransacks the works of Mozart is trying to tear the love from the heart of them." Mozart--made with 10% more love! Like Mom's Robot Oil.
Interlocutor: Ha! I know what he means, though. Mozart was a humanist.
Vandermeer: Yeah, I do too. I only wish he were a little bit less of a booby in emphasizing it. --You know, I hope you know how fond I am of you. We have such marvelous conversations.
Would that we were so lucky, dear friend, as to have such colloquy ourself. Nevertheless we remain hopeful and always of course
Your H. & Ob. S.,
CASTALIANUS